Below are 5 rational proofs that Jesus (pbuh) cannot be God:
1)He that is distinguished from God is not God.
Jesus (pbuh) is distinguished from God.
Therefore, Jesus (pbuh) is not God.
2) He that is taught is not God.
He that hears from another what he would speak is taught.
Jesus (pbuh) speaks what he is told (John 8:26).
Therefore, Jesus (pbuh) is not God.
3) In John 16:14 Jesus says: “God is He that giveth all things to all”.
He that receives from another is not God.
Therefore, Jesus (pbuh) is not God.
4) He that is sent by another is not God.
Jesus (pbuh) is sent by God.
Therefore, Jesus (pbuh) is not God.
5) He that is not the giver of all things is not God (Acts 17:25).
He that is the gift of God is not the giver of all things.
He that is the gift of God is himself given.
The gift is in the power and at the disposal of the giver.
It is absurd to imagine that God can be in the power or at the disposal of another.
Therefore, Jesus (pbuh) is not God.
Hi, Ray!
I’m not defending the “5 proofs” in the article above - they are hardly rational, considering they are all based on arbitrary scripture. I’m ignoring your biblical quotations and the subsequent arguments for the same reason.
We seem to have to assign three dimensions to everything and everything must exist in that space.
There is no rational, indisputable method of discovering the nature of any extra-dimensional object or being. Various Theists resolve this problem with “Faith” - If you have faith, you will reap the rewards prescribed in the documentation of that system of belief.
The faith of the Christian does not match the faith of the Muslim, Jew, or any other religious person. Even if we assume a god that exists outside of the dimensions we can perceive, how can we determine the nature of this god?
The Bible? Every major religion has a set of “holy” books written by/for/about “God”. Faith? Every major religion relies on faith, and they all come to different conclusions. Personal testimony? Every adherent of every religion is capable of providing testimony, and their stories will obviously conflict.
Religion is the celebration of Observational Bias. People see what they want to see, and vigorously defend their own assumptions, even when those assumptions have been demonstrated to be false.
In conclusion, either God’s Word is Truth or it isn’t. There are doctrines of man and there is The Word of God.
What various people call “God’s Word” is either truth, or it isn’t. You have no problem denying the “Truth” of “God’s Word” when it comes from Islam, or Hinduism, or Buddhism, or any of the ancient religions. You might consider these “Doctrines of Man”. Similarly, I deny that what you consider “God’s Word” is “Truth”.
How can I differentiate your God from their God(s)? How can I differentiate your God from the Flying Spaghetti Monster? The Invisible Pink Unicorn? The Dragon in my Garage?
I can’t. The nature of your God is the nature of the Flying Spaghetti Monster: Non-falsifiable. Falsifiability is the concept that allows one to discard an inaccurate theory in favor of a more accurate theory. For instance, the theory of gravity could be disproved if one can place an apple in mid-air and it does not fall. Gravity is a falsifiable concept.
the Dragon in my Garage, on the other hand, is non-falsifiable. I have an invisible, non-corporeal dragon in my garage that breathes heatless fire. Prove to me that I’m wrong.
God is also non-falsifiable, bearing more in common with the Invisible Pink Unicorn than the ultimate power in the universe.
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ray said,
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I am not a writer, I don’t even enjoy reading that much, but I felt it necessary at this time in my life to get a few things down on paper. I have had a desire to know God as long as I can remember, however a lot of church doctrine has only left me with questions. I have had so many people tell me that it is all a great mystery and that no man can fathom the ways of God. In some ways that is true, but I don’t believe that the basic question of “Who Is God” can exist without answers.
The Bible tells us that God is omnipresent. That means He is everywhere all the time. We all know about the billions of stars and vast galaxies out there where distance can only be measured in light years. If God is truly omnipresent does His Spirit span the entire universe at the same time? ….Psalms 139:7-8 Why do people pray for the Spirit of God to present at their particular worship service? It sounds like He’s already there filling that building and every other square inch of the universe! There’s just no getting way from God. This must be a hard concept to grasp. Man has a hard time breaking away from the confines of the five senses. We seem to have to assign three dimensions to everything and everything must exist in that space. I think this is why God is so blessed when we believe, because we have reached out to someone that we can not see.
John 1:1-3 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him: and without him was not anything made that was made.” Sounds like God and his Word are knit very closely together. What is God’s Word? … What is your word? It is your thoughts, your mind, and your will, all that makes you, you. If you write your words on paper, it is your thoughts recorded in a way that others can learn from.
God is Holy. God is Spirit, John 4:24. If you could analyze the essence of God you would find two things, Spirit and Holiness. God is Holy Spirit as you and I are flesh and bones. So when we read the phrase Holy Spirit in The Word it refers to “what” God is in contrast to who He is. Where the confusion sets in is the fact that the term holy spirit is also used to describe the gift that the believers received on the day of Pentecost. This is also a gift that you and I receive when we are “born again”. The Word says that we are “new beings, created in Christ Jesus.” The word “created” is very important to understand. Whenever the word “created” is used it means to bring into existence something that was not there before. When God “created” the heavens and earth, He brought into existence something that was not there before. So when we are “born again” we receive the gift of holy spirit, something brand new, something that was not there before, it is “created” in us. The King James translators tried show this contrast by capitalizing the words “Holy Spirit” when they referred to God and using lower case “holy spirit” when referring to the “gift”. So any time we see these words, we must determine through the context if it is referring to the “Giver” or the “gift”.
WHO IS JESUS CHRIST
Jesus Christ is:
1-Second in authority to God only, - John 14:28 I Corin. 11:3 and I Corin. 15:27-28
2-The promised seed, son of Mary, conceived by God, Gen. 3:15 Matt. 1:18-20 Gal. 3:16
3-Son of man, Luke 5:24
4-A man tempted as we are, Hebrews 2:16-18 Hebrews 4:15
5-A faithful high priest who fulfilled all the law, Hebrews 3:1-2 Matt. 5:17
6-A man, the mediator between man and God, I Tim. 2:5
7-Our brother, Hebrews 2:11
8-Limited in knowledge, Mark 13:32
9-Our passover lamb, I Corinthians 5:7
10-Foreknown before the foundation of the world, I Peter 1:20
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As fathers and sons are similar, Jesus Christ and God are similar, but not identical.
God cannot be tempted, Jesus Christ was.
God sits on his throne.
Jesus Christ sits on God’s right hand.
Jesus Christ had his own will separate from God and could choose his own path as we see when he prayed to his Father before his crucifixion. Matthew 26:39. At that point, he knew what was going to happen, he had his own free will, the soldiers had not yet come, He could just of easily walked off into the sunset. But we know he chose to follow the will of his Father and not his own. We also see this very clearly in John 5:30 (Jesus speaking) “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
According to the Church history the Trinitarian doctrine was formulated in 325 AD by the Nicaean Council of Consstantinople. Let’s take a quick peek at the originator of the Nicaean Council. Its promoter was an interesting young man named Constantine, a second generation Emperor of the decaying Roman Empire. Constantine was not only the promoter, but also the 100% financier of this little convention. He had a lot riding on the outcome of this council and the six documents that it produced. (Most only concern themselves with one document; The Nicaean Creed). Anyways, as I was saying, Constantine was an interesting fellow. He was certainly an able leader, a so-so diplomat and a loving son, but, it kind of goes down hill for him from there. He was loved by his ruthless army and by his mother (who proclaimed herself a Christian) but beyond that, most either feared or steered clear of him because of his nature. Today, over 1600 years after his death, Constantine is still listed by historians as one of the most disloyal, self-serving, treacherous and tyrannical leaders that the world has ever seen. The Bible is quite specific in warning about building a belief system based upon documents outside of the true Word of God.
In the year 492 Emperor Theodosius made disbelief of the Trinity a capital crime. Today, things have not changed that much. “You can not be saved if you do not believe in the Trinity”.
Years later, when Martin Luther broke away from the Roman Catholic Church changes were made in the Trinitarian doctrine. If this doctrine were true there would not be any need for changes. He didn’t seem to like the idea that Mary was the mother of God, but if Jesus Christ is
God and Mary was his mother … well, why would you want to mess with it, if indeed this is “Biblical” doctrine.
I can not find the following in scripture: Trinity, God the Son, Three In One, God-man, fully God and fully man, co-equal or co-eternal.
I can only conclude that these terms were “made up” by someone.
The Messiah of God Luke 18:19
The Father who sent me John 5:37
Christ Jesus, himself human I Tim. 2:5
I am assending to my Father, to my God John 20:17
No one is good but God alone Mark 10:17-18
The Lord our God, the Lord is one Mark 12:28-34
No one hath seen God at any time I John 4:12
In John 14:28 Jesus states very clearly that he is not coequal with God his Father. “Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father, for the Father is greater than I.” The same is said in Mark 10:17-18 “And when He was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him and asked him, Good master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said
unto him, why callest thow me good? There is none good but one, that is God.”
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In Luke 2:52 it says that “Jesus increased in wisdom.” How could God increase in wisdom? How could God increase in anything??
Q. If Jesus is indeed the true Son of God could he have a God?
A. Sure, his Father.
Q. If Jesus is God, could this God Have a God?
A. Ahhhhhh… Could you repeat the question?
The Church claims to worship the God of Israel but all through history, Israel has never proclaimed a “three in one” God. What is wrong with this picture? God does not change.
Should the coming of the Messiah have changed who we believed God to be?
Who is the God of Israel?…. Hey, I’ve got an idea !!! Why don’t we ask Israel.
The following is an excerpt of a letter sent to me by Rabbi Don Rossoff:
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God is one. The watchword of our faith - that which believing Jews have on their lips to their dying moment - is the declaration know as “Sh’ma” from the book of Deuteronomy: Sh’mah Yis-ra-ayl Ado-nai Elo-hay-nu, Ado-nai eh-chad! Hear, O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is one!
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In conclusion, either God’s Word is Truth or it isn’t. There are doctrines of man and there is The Word of God.
I choose to trust God.